Saturday, 17 December 2011

Judge Not

Bishop David Cameron has said the UK is a Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so.

In a speech in Oxford on the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible, the bishop minister called for a revival of traditional Christian values to counter Britain's moral collapse.

I guess he means those traditional Christian values of homophobia, bigotry, self-righteousness, intolerance and selectively adhering only to those bits of The Christian Law (i.e. Bible) that support your bigoted position.

What about the moral collapse in the Catholic church with all the child abuse that's been going on? Oh, I forgot, they're Catholics and not Protestant.

As for the UK being a Christian country, under 10% attend church.

I do wish politicians would not huff and puff with outraged moral indignation and look to cleaning the Augean stables within their own houses first.

The UK is a mish-mash of different religions, agnostics and atheists. A country develops from the nature of its people, not the people from a nostalgic, chocolate-box vision of the country a few centuries ago. Cameron sounds like King Cnut.


  1. I tend to agree with all you say this time. It is, regretably, a very accurate discription of reality. After having religion scared out of me by a Zoar Baptist Minister preaching "Hellfire and Brimstone" with a German accent in the early 1950s and spending a life time being an Atheist, I now see a country without morals (especially amongst our so-called betters) without standards, without identity and, I fear, without hope.

    The Welsh, Scots. Irish have an identity, a sense of Nation, but we, the English, have no such notion of Nationhood. The only public displays of Nationality is the Drunken Yob or the zenophobic little Englander bemoaning our plight and blaming our demise on the foriegner.

    I often wonder, if it wouldn't be better if we all attended Church. I feel that communial (Hymn?) singing and rousing sermons could do much to create a sense of identity and social fabric. I admit to still having a problem with the spiritual side of the suggestion.

  2. Alan: the local vicar's bishop will not allow Hayley and me to marry in the local church, where all Hayley's ancestors are buried. The reason being because I'm twice divorced. Good God! The next head of the CoE is divorced, and a philanderer to boot.

    Hay has more connection to the local church and community than the Bish, or even the vicar. There are scores of her people in the churchyard and they made the church what it is - more's the pity.

  3. I do however like attending church - solely for the tradition, which is one of the pillars of the CoE (although you'd never believe it). I have no time for the hocus-pokus though.

  4. How did you manage to respond to my comment before I posted it? You Sir, are indeed a man of insight and prophecy. Forget the CoE, set of a CoB (Church of Bill) and I would be in the front pew.

  5. Alan,

    I think another Burnett is, perhaps, too much.

    Yes, the Church of Bill, now I'm grown up (or maybe just older) I could stand a good blood curdling rant, it would be spirit lifting I'm sure. And, the community singing; On Ilkley Moor Ba' Taht; Do Ya Ken John Peel (polite version), House of the Rising Sun, Blueberry Hill etc

    Venue, within walking distance of a decent Pub with real ale. Time; Every Sunday, 10.00 to 11.55 intime for opening.

    Traditional England.

  6. "moral collapse" - we always seem to have these when the Tories get into power, I wonder if the two things are linked?